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Wine Traffic #193 For 24 Oct 2003

By Brian Vincent

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This is the 193rd issue of the Wine Weekly News publication. Its main goal is to be scared of ghosts and goblins. It also serves to inform you of what's going on around Wine. Wine is an open source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of it as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. You can find more info at

Mailing List Stats For This Week

We looked at 228 posts in 668K.

There were 76 different contributors. 38 posted more than once. 34 posted last week too.

The top posters of the week were:

1. News: Press Coverage

18 Oct 2003 - 24 Oct 2003 (3 posts) Archive Link: "News"

Topics: News

People: CodeWeaverscodeweaversNews


Tom Wickline pointed out The Inquirer wrote a short article discussing device driver compatibility layers. Wine was mentioned several times in the article as well as Odin, the OS/2 Wine spinoff. But don't let it fool you - Wine is pretty much useless for drivers.

Slashdot posed a question - how much of a security threat is Wine? The resulting discussion was all over the place not too unlike a trainwreck with bodies strewn about.

CodeWeavers revamped their website. A quick glance didn't show any added features.

2. WineSetupTk Resurrected

12 Oct 2003 - 24 Oct 2003 (20 posts) Archive Link: "winesetuptk"

Topics: Configuration

People: Ivan Leo Murray-SmithCodeWeaversMike Hearn

Last year it was decided that the future of Wine configuration would be a Winelib app. That project has turned into Winecfg with Mike Hearn as the active contributor. Winecfg remains a work in progress and there's a lot of functionality still missing. In the past the only graphical configuration tool was WineSetupTk developed by CodeWeavers. A few weeks ago Vincent Béron pointed out some problems with it due to a lack of maintenance. Ivan Leo Murray-Smith explained why it would be beneficial to have it working:

Most normal people (Users) don't want to edit config files or use a shell. That's why most people don't use linux. Winecfg isn't complete, winesetuptk will go soon, but in the mean time it's the best way to configure wine. I get emails all the time from people thanking me for putting winesetuptk on sourceforge, it's had a lot of downloads, and I don't think we can remove it yet. As soon as winecfg is ready, I'll hide winesetuptk (That won't work anyway because wine won't read the config file). Until then, winesetuptk is the only easy way of configuring wine, and I have no intention of telling users "Go and edit the config file and add this and remove that and make a system directory inside the windows directory that's in your fake c:\ drive that the config file has to point to..." when I can just say "Install winesetuptk, start it, and follow the on-screen instructions". I don't see how such a good level of usability can hurt.

This week Ivan announced some updates had been made:

Rc1 had a bug that caused winesetuptk to crash when it looked for a real windows drive and didn't find one. Also, with rc2 winver is set to 98, as a lot of apps refuse to install on 95.



3. RedHat 7.3 Packages

13 Oct 2003 (1 post) Archive Link: "RH7.3 packages"


People: Vincent Beron

Meant to include this last week. Vincent Béron, RedHat package maintainer, announced:

Some time ago somebody asked here about RedHat 7.3 Wine packages. I said I'd do it, pending some hardware upgrade on one of my box.

That time has now come, and they are available on the download page. Only i386 and src for now, no athlon nor i686.

Checking up on this, Vincent has updated the page to include last week's Wine-20031016 release as well as add packages for i686.

4. User Forums (Maybe) Resurrected

23 Oct 2003 (7 posts) Archive Link: "Proposal to resolve the issue of the broken wine-users gateway"

Topics: Project Management

People: Jeremy WhiteDimitrie PaunJeremy NewmanDan KegelNews

Speaking of dying slow deaths, Wine's user community has been a bit neglected since the Usenet-mailing list gateway died. Jeremy White tossed out some ideas for improving that line of communication:

Say, Just chatting on IRC today, and ShadowHawk pointed out that a host of other sites (Franks corner, etc) have sprung up almost entirely because there are no user based forums on

This is, in part, due to the fact that the gateway between the newsgroup and wine-users is busted. And it is that way, because the gateway we were using is a dead project, and Jer hasn't been able to wrestle it back into working (and doesn't really want to).

Further, I think it may be time to recognize that cool looking forums are what users expect; that mailing lists and newsgroups are really becoming the 'old' way of doing things.

Further, there is a PHP based forum system that Jer would be happy to put up on

This would neatly side step the whole problem and perhaps provide a nice upgrade for

What do others think?

Dimi Paun replied first, " I for one don't think highly of other forms of forums, but this is not the issue. I think we should fix the gateway, and also provide one of these fancy forums. If people like them, all power to them. In fact, I think we should implement the Slashcode (or something similar) for the News box. Would be very nice to see the reactions of people to important news that happen in the community, but are not *that* important to start a thread about on wine-devel."

Jeremy Newman, the website maintainer, felt the Usenet gateway was a dead issue and would remain with other rotting corpses that have fallen by the wayside. He explained a bit about the forum he had in mind, " The software I mentioned to Jer that we could implement is Phorum. I've played with it in the past, and integrating it into the current site is dead easy."

Concerning the ability to comment on a news story, Jeremy thought of an simple way to do that, " Exactly, whenever a news post, or new WWN, or Wine version is posted, I can start a new thread in the forum, and link to that thread from the news article on the front page. Easy, and effective. "

Dan Kegel didn't like the idea at all because it wasn't easily searchable by Google.







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