Table Of Contents
|1.||4�Oct�2003�-�10�Oct�2003||(2 posts)||News: New Interview, Errata, Wine Review|
|2.||29�Sep�2003�-�8�Oct�2003||(30 posts)||Theming & UXTheme.DLL|
|3.||4�Oct�2003||(3 posts)||WineWorks Utility|
|4.||4�Oct�2003||(3 posts)||The Start Menu|
|5.||4�Oct�2003||(1 post)||ReactOS Task Manager|
This is the 191st issue of the Wine Weekly News publication. Its main goal is to go see balloons in Albuquerque. It also serves to inform you of what's going on around Wine. Wine is an open source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of it as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. You can find more info at www.winehq.com (http://www.winehq.com)
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1. News: New Interview, Errata, Wine Review
4�Oct�2003�-�10�Oct�2003 (2 posts) Archive Link: "News"
People: ,�Pavel Roskin,�Ivan Leo Murray-Smith,�News,�ZDNet,�TransGaming,�Peter Hunnisett
Last week I put together an interview with Peter Hunnisett of TransGaming. It didn't get uploaded to the web site in time for last week's issue though. I removed the paragraph the news section before publishing it but failed to remove the headline announcing it. No one seemed to notice.. but this week you really can find the interview with Peter (http://www.winehq.com/?interview=12) on WineHQ. Interviews have slowed down quite a bit - real life is getting in the way. I promise there will be more, however infrequent they may be.
Ivan Leo Murray-Smith pointed out that I not only misattributed an email to him but a bunch of work that was done to get Wine programs running on Windows. For the record, Pavel Roskin worked on that project. Ivan was responsible for compiling and uploading them to the Sourceforge repository.
Scott Lowe wrote an article for ZDNet UK about downloading and installing Wine. He ran into some problems (http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020481,39116972,00.htm) and gives a thumbs down for usability. He does recommend CodeWeaver's CrossOver Office as an alternative to the free version.
2. Theming & UXTheme.DLL
29�Sep�2003�-�8�Oct�2003 (30 posts) Archive Link: "uxtheme.dll"
People: Kevin Koltzau,�Sylvain Petreolle,�Mike Hearn,�Roderick Colenbrander,�James Gregory,�Steven Edwards,�,�Microsoft
Kevin Koltzau started a thread last week about integrating Windows' theming in Wine:
I started work porting a windows app using winelib, and hit an issue relating to the fact that there is currently no implementation of uxtheme.dll (and more importantly, no headers, of which would be enough to compile the app as it dynamically loads all the uxtheme dlls as needed, and falls back gracefully)
Because of this, I've been thinking about beginning an implementation of uxtheme.dll. I am curious if someone has already taken up this task, or if anyone any opinions on this topic.
Sylvain Petreolle questioned the usefulness, " This isn't a windows system dll. Isnt that another attempt like cards.dll ?" Mike Hearn thought it would be a welcome addition:
Sure it is. Apps attempt to LoadLibrary it if they detect it to enhance their drawing capabilities. It's conceivable that one day apps will not have this backwards compat code and simply require Windows XP or above, so it needs to get done.
It's also the Right Way to make Wine not look like ass on our pretty desktops, because the win32 apps will be theme aware.
Roderick Colenbrander pointed out that this was a non-trivial amount of work:
I hope you know what you will begin with. (For the ones that don't know uxtheme.dll is the dll that takes care of all theming on WinXP and it is the dll that dlls like comctl32 and all others use for theming)
Some time ago I checked out uxtheme.dll a bit and it seems that it needs changes all over Wine. As I understand it WinXP ships with two sets of comctl32.dll and friends. One is the "old" version and one is a new uxtheme aware version. The uxtheme aware version contains lots of changes and uses uxtheme for theming. To use uxtheme you need to add uxtheme support to the dlls that need it which looks like a huge job. Perhaps this is something post Wine-1.0?
Dimi wondered why two DLL's were needed and Roderick explained:
The "old" dll that MS ships with WindowsXP is comctl32.dll version 5.x which is the same as on other Windows versions.
Version 6 is the new version. One of the biggest changes is that this updated dll handles both the user and common controls. Further all controls now include some area in which can be drawn for theming.
For more info check out: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/xptheming.asp (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/xptheming.asp)
James Gregory jumped in to mention some similar work he'd done:
Some time ago I started hacking in support for GTK themes. When I first suggested this project to the list there was suggestions that doing it with uxtheme.dll was the way to go. I agreed, but didn't have winxp to play with, so I kept tinkering on this project with the intent of learning a bit more about how wine works (which meant learning a lot about how GDI and X works, though I didn't realise that I'd need to know that stuff when I started on the project). I actually managed to get some results which were starting to look promising (though there's no way I'd submit that code as a patch). Screenshots here (the checkbox being the only important part):
Anyway, the reason I'm posting is not to suggest that this code be used (nor the approach I took), but to mention that if theming code is to be written that I think it's really important to have a way to pass off rendering of controls etc to a .so that can be dlopened and called with dlsym. IIRC the existing system uses a function lookup table, so there shouldn't be much that needs to change for this to occur -- only the initialisation of this function table and probably some hooks so that these .sos can detect whether or not they'll work with the current configuration (as an example the way I was doing gtk theming won't work with anything that isn't x11drv. I don't like breaking encapsulation like this, but it sounds like it's practical in this case). I don't know if I can be of any help, but I'm interested in trying -- please keep me posted.
Kevin then detailed an area he was looking into:
I'm currently working on implementing support for .msstyles themes (of which are used by XP) primarily because the format follows the API pretty closely and will be easier to test my implementation against an XP box.
One nice thing about .msstyles themes is they are basically just a resource-only DLL, which could of course include exported functions.
Going along that path, one possible way to integrate theme support from your native window manager is to extend the .msstyles theme format to enable using exported functions for drawing some controls, which could then make direct GTK/etc calls.
Another possible method would be to create a conversion tool to create an .msstyles theme from a GTK theme, or to simply create a totally new method of defining themes for WINE.
Kevin went back and did some more work and posted another note several days later wondering how to set up configuration options. At that point Steven Edwards brought up a topic on a similar tangent, " Is there a way we can merge the winelook option in to the themeing support? The work I have been doing to port comdlg32 is kind of stalled because of tweak_winelook being incompleate in this dll. It would be nice if we could plan on moving all of this stuff together post 1.0 "
Kevin wasn't sure of that answer but went into more detail about how Windows' theming worked:
I'm not very familiar with how the winelook is handled in code, what does it do exactly? if it simply affects system metrics & colors that would be easily merged with themes, if its more then that (like for example different common dialogs) it may be more difficult
Full blown theming in windows uses a combination of .theme files and .msstyles files.
.theme files I believe existed before XP and do not use uxtheme.dll. They primarilly just define system metrics and colors (along with icons for things like My Computer, etc and mouse cursors).
.msstyles files are the basis of uxtheme.dll, and allow much broader theming support as seen in WinXP, as well as defining system metrics & colors (but do not define icons & cursors).
The two theme formats are coupled very loosely, they can be used together (primarily to enable defining icons & cursors with a graphical theme) or seperate. When used together, any metrics & colors defined in the msstyles override those defined in the .theme
Alexandre has requested I use the registry keys that windows uses to define theme configuration, in which case under XP those keys are located in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Themes and HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ThemeManager
The configuration seems to be split between those two locations, with a couple options in both. HKCU primarily contains configuration related to XP's msstyles method of theming, HKLM looks to primarilly define theming with .theme files (although there is some slight crossover between the two).
Other people felt it would be a good idea to roll the existing look and feel options into something like this. So will we soon have Wine integrating better with Windows and Linux desktops? Hopefully!
3. WineWorks Utility
4�Oct�2003 (3 posts) Archive Link: "[ANNOUNCE]WineWorks - yet another utility to configure Wine!"
People: Subhobroto Sinha,�,�Roderick Colenbrander
A new utility appeared out of nowhere last week. Subhobroto Sinha dropped a note about a Qt based configuration tool:
well this is NOT yet another effort to imitate WineCfg!
WineCfg needs Wine to be running to work. WineWorks does NOT need Wine to be running. WineWorks has been developed using Qt 3.1.1
WineWorks has been written keeping it in mind as MORE of a troubleshooting tool rather than a customization and configuring tool. That is something WineCfg is there for. I intend to make WineWorks as a tool which can HELP a user figure out potential problems which can hinder running Wine on his machine and to resolve those issues so that Wine may be up and going... all from a easy to use GUI.
Please try out the program and send reports back to <subhobrotosinha at yahoo dot com> with [WINEWORKS] in the subject line and an optional line appended to it if required. I will soon put the details up on my site as soon as I get a few reports in my mail box.
The program is attached compressed as 'WineWorks.zip' and has MD5 Sum '145a82af87efa62c8a694c5a1c18a0a5'.
NOTE: It's recommended that you run WineWorks from a shell window to see the trace/debug messages. That way you can see what it's doing behind the scenes and where it went wrong (if it did)..
I tried it out real quick and it seems to pull off some nice features. The interface is a little rough around the edges, but usable. Roderick Colenbrander noticed it also and included a screenshot showing WineWorks in action (http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/10/att-0146/01-shot.png) .
4. The Start Menu
4�Oct�2003 (3 posts) Archive Link: "Of Start Menu, Shortcuts and broken functions..."
People: Subhobroto Sinha,�Mike McCormack,�Robert van Herk,�Dimitrie Paun,�,�Microsoft
Subhobroto posted another email wondering about Windows' infamous "Start" menu. His application has an initial implementation of it. He dropped a note with a lot of details about what he was trying to do but needed help making it work:
Recently there has been a revived interest in putting up a 'Windows' like 'Start Menu' onto the Window managers. That's good.Thanks.
But as I see it, this task is REALLY easy. Once we resolve the Windows shorcut files,figuring out how to implement the resolved menu entries for respective Desktop environments is dependent on the Desktop environment themselves, and people wanting to implement the 'Start Menu' on that environment. Windows maintains it's 'Start Menu' under '%ROOTDIR%\Documents and Settings\%USER%\Start Menu' (yeah I am talking >=NT,Win2k. For 9x, it will be probably 'C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu'), and this folder contains LOADS of shortcut (.lnk) files. So if we can just recurse through this folder and read out the .lnk files into compatible menu/desktop entries of the corresponding Desktop environment (KDE,GNOME...), we have a working, synchronized 'Start Menu'.
And that's JUST what McCormack's 'winemenubuilder' does, and reading out the code I can see it's THE thing we need.
Unfortunately, 'winemenubuilder' shipped from Wine-20030618 - the VERY version from which IPersistFile::Load() (the VERY function used to resolve windows shortcuts) got broken, so I could not see 'winemenubuilder' in practise! (Mike, if you are reading this, could you tell me on what Wine ver you originally developed it, and does 'winemenubuilder' work now ? Thanks)
You yourself may try out 'winemenubuilder', and if it works let me know. I will know that I was at fault all along,and that would be good news for me !
Now, there arises the problem. Microsoft really does not tell us what's the data structure of .lnk files, though if Alexandre (or somebody of his status..) requested Matt Pietrek for that information, we can probably get it.
Mike McCormack quickly replied and noted some other obstacles that need to be investigated:
Unfortunately, it's not just as simple as enumerating "C:\Windows\Start Menu", though that would be a good start.
To do things exactly the same way as Windows does them, we have to make a shell namespace that contains all the stuff on the start menu, then enumerate that. Furthermore, since the namespace is dynamic, the menu really should be constructed on the fly, not just written to an .desktop file.
I had a bit of discussion with Robert van Herk about this (see the thread about ""Start menu" (continued)" on this list). I mentioned to him that I thought the best way to solve the problem would be to write a gnome-vfs library and KDE plugin that query a wine process for the structure of the startmenu at runtime.
For starters we could just use the 'Start Menu' directory, but you miss out on things like Outlook Express and Internet Explorer's Icons, because there's no .lnk file for those... they are created by a shell namespace extension (I think :).
Anyway, it would be great if we figured out the remaining structure of .lnk files, and finished the IShellLink implementation properly, and no matter how things are done, we need that code to be complete. The best way to do that, IMO, is to examine alot of .lnk files from windows systems :)
Robert jumped in and described some work he's done:
>From discussions with others from this list, I understand that you should not just want to list the entries in the start menu folder, but also other things (control panel, etc).
There should be a dll file (shell32.dll?) that can be queried to provide this information.
What I am currently working on is a client on Linux and a server in Windows (Wine). The server should notify the client when new entries appear, and the client uses the server to get all the needed information for the start menu.
I am about half way for the first client, that will run on KDE.
Didn't touch the server yet, seems harder to build. Also didn't think really hard on the communication between the server and the client. Pipes won't probably be a good idea, because you want bidirectional communication.
Anyhow, the first client is set up using QT. I am not shure whether this is general enough, so please tell me if this is not wise to do, for example if it won't be compatible with Gnome. If everything is QT compatible, only the very frontend of the client will have to be reprogrammed for the different desktop environments. That means that most classes could be recycled from the KDE version.
In a similar vein, Dimi Paun posted a patch to move around some documentation. Part of it included the following note, "Nearly complete informations about the binary formats of .lnk files avaiable at http://www.wotsit.org"
5. ReactOS Task Manager
4�Oct�2003 (1 post) Archive Link: "Fwd: [ros-kernel] Task Manager"
People: Steven Edwards,�,�ReactOS
From time to time I mention ReactOS in passing (sometimes refered to as simply ROS). If you're not familiar with the project you may want to check out the ReactOS website (http://www.reactos.com) . Their Win32 subsystem relies on Wine and a lot of Wine portability and janitorial work has come out of it. Steven Edwards is their Wine liason and has contributed a lot of valuable work to both projects. [note to self.. interview Steven] Increasing contributions are becoming apparent as their lower level work matures. This week Steven forwarded a note from one of their developers (sorry, don't have the name, it was only signed FiN) describing a task manager utility being developed:
I am going to anonunce that Task Manager is starting to work in ReactOS... Thanks to w3seek's last patch it displays almost all controls correctly. (Also thanks to GvG and everyone else involved.)
There are still these problems:
Included with the email was a screenshot of the new task manager (http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/10/att-0145/02-taskmgr.png) . We may see this appear in Wine at some point in the future. A task manager was recently identified as a nice application for Wine to have, though no Wine developers seem to have the time or inclination to work on it.
Sharon And Joy
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