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<editor contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org">Zack Brown</editor>

<issue num="37" date="29 Dec 2000 00:00:00 -0800" />

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<section
  title="W2K joining SMB Server the saga continues"
  author="John Quirk"
  contact="mailto:jq_quirk@hotmail.com"
  subject="W2K joining SMB Server"
  archive="http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-ntdom/2000-December/030596.html"
  posts="13"
  startdate="15 Dec 2000 07:10:03 -0800"
  enddate="20 Dec 2000 14:55:00 -0800"
> 
<mention></mention>
<mention>John Quirk</mention>

<p>
<editorialize who="John Quirk">This is a sub thread of a very long running
thread of Samba and joining a windows 2K domain.
</editorialize>
</p>
<p>Joe Olt set the discussion off with this post:</p>

<quote who="Joe Olt">
<p>
I have not been using Samba 2.2 that long.  But, I was able to get W2K
workstations to joing the Samba domain only after this.
</p>

<p>After I followed the How-To, it would not work.  I changed the passwd program
to point to the smbpasswd program and username level to 8.  Then it worked.</p>

<p>It doesn't make much sense, but it worked.  Has anyone else tried this?  I'm
using the 2.2-alpha, but have not CVSed.
</p>
</quote>

<p>
Eric Pilger added:
</p>

<quote who="Eric Pilger">
<p>
Well I tried it. It didn't work. Like Hazen, and so many others, I have followed the FAQS, applied
the patches, changed my domain name to 5 letters, used simple smb.conf, tried CVS,  TNG and the
latest source. The only thing I haven't done is rub the damn thing on a horny toads wart, turned
around three times and thrown it over my shoulder.</p>

<p>
The same bizarre behavior now happens every time.</p>

<p>
- add machine to smbpasswd file (smbpasswd -a -m clientmachinename)</p>
<p>- ask machine to join domain</p>
<p>- enter username as root with appropriate password</p>
<p>- get message "The account used is a computer account. User your global user account or local user
account to access the server."</p>
<p>(Note: at this point, a check of the smbpasswd file reveals that samba has changed the
clientmachine entry to have a password of all XXXX...)</p>
<p>- ask machine to join domain</p>
<p>- enter username as root with appropriate password</p>
<p>- get message "The remote procedure call failed."</p>
<p>- ask machine to join domain</p>
<p>- enter username as root with appropriate password</p>
<p>- get message "The account used is a computer account. User your global user account or local user
account to access the server."</p>
<p>- ask machine to join domain</p>
<p>- enter username as root with appropriate password</p>
<p>- get message "The remote procedure call failed."
</p>
</quote>
<p>
Chen Shiyuan replied that this had been working for them and with posted his
smb.conf file which included his domain name of <em>ABC</em>. Chen also noted:</p>

<quote who="Chen Shiyuan">
<p>
would be that you must/ought to be making use of
encrypted passwords and your root account and password should be listed
in /etc/smbpasswd . cat /etc/smbpasswd | grep root should tell you if
that is the case. You can also use smbclient \\\\&#60;your
servername&#62;\\homes -Uroot and then type in the password to connect to
your root's home directory. If cannot, something is wrong with either
your smbpasswd file or your smb.conf .
</p>
</quote>

<p>
Richard Sharpe made the following observations:
</p>

<quote who="Richard Sharpe">
<p>
Yes, odd length domain names work, even length domain names do not.</p>

</quote>

<p>
Jean Francois Micouleau added an update:
</p>

<quote who="Jean Francois Micouleau">
<p>
I commited some code this morning (UTC) to the CVS 2.2 branch that should
fix most problems with W2K.</p>

<p>To join the domain, you need:</p>

<p>a) add the machine account to /etc/passwd</p>
<p>b) log on the w2k locally using the administrator account</p>
<p>c) join the domain using your unix root account.</p>

</quote>

<p>Hazen Valliant-Saunders who's earlier post kicked of this thread
posted:</p>
<quote who="Hazen Valliant-Saunders">
<p>
I'm both very happy and very sick. :()()()()
anywhy i am cracking open a bottile of good gin (glen fiddich) when i get
home today.
Why Because it works.  Got the newest CVS this morning!! compiled installed
and bang it functions
</p>
</quote>
<p>The several people posted problems with mixed case usernames Hazen eventually
found his problems came from as misconfigured passwd syn, he did not say what
the problem was.</p>

<p>
<editorialize who="John Quirk">Win2K support is slowly improving in 2.2 as 
this thread shows thanks to the good work from Jean Francois Micouleau.
</editorialize>
</p>

</section>

<section
  title="lib/genrand.c why it does this"
  author="John Quirk"
  contact="mailto:jq_quirk@hotmail.com"
  subject="lib/genrand.c weirdness"
  archive="http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-technical/2000-December/010460.html"
  posts="2"
  startdate="16 Dec 2000 20:13:12 -0800"
  enddate="17 Dec 2000 00:26:16 -0800"
> 
<mention></mention>

<p>
Andrew Bartlett had a question about the genrand.c code:
</p>


<quote who="Andrew Bartlett">
<p>
Both Samba and Samba-TNG seem to use the same code for genrand.c and
both appear to do some quite crazy things with their random numbers.
</p>

<p>My reading of the code - do_reseed() - is that, upon requiring a new
random seed, samba will (if available) read 40 bytes from /dev/urandom
(good so far), and then go though all sorts of crazy steps to introduce
predictable values into the mix, then goes and md4s the result a few
times.  As the output is only 16 bytes + 32 bits why not just read
sizeof(unsigned int) as the return value (sys_srandom takes one unsigned
int, and this is the only place this part of do_reseed's output ever
goes) and then just read the 16 bytes for the return buffer?  This would
also mean that samba would not waste precious kernel entropy, reading
only as many bytes as required.</p>

<p>Does samba for some reason not trust the kernel to provide sufficiently
random numbers?
(If so, should this be a configure test, letting those with kernel
guaranteed randomness use it?)</p>

<p>This is the function in question, note it gets a little confused at the
bottom about bits and bytes, my reading is that we return 32 bits and 16
bytes.  (BTW, how does this work on 64 bit platforms, as srandom takes
an unsigned int, not necessarily 32 bits long?)</p>

<p>As a minimal change, the bracket from the !got_random test should at
least be moved down below the gettimeofday munging.

</p>
</quote>

<p>
To which Peter Samuelson replied:
</p>

<quote who="Peter Samuelson">

<p>
The function is not crazy at all if you assume /dev/urandom is not
available, a pretty safe assumption on 95% of the platforms Samba
supports.  The only strange part is that it doesn't drop out early if
/dev/urandom *is* available.</p>

<p>I don't know why it doesn't, but I have heard it said that paranoia
about degree of randomness is often desirable.  As Ted Ts'o puts it,
you are guarding against "catastrophic failure" of one or more sources
-- if it turns out some time in the future that /dev/urandom is
crackable after all, Samba at least does not depend solely on that.</p>

<p>And speaking of /dev/urandom, it may or may not be what you think.
Someone on some Unix system somewhere may provide /dev/urandom as a
pipe with a daemon like egd behind it.  In that case, are you so sure
it is sufficient?</p>

<p>And in a sense, you "may as well" add in those file hashes and
timestamps.  The way crypto hashes like md4 work, no matter how much
non-random seed you throw into the mix, you will end up with *at least*
as much entropy at the other end as you started with, so it cannot hurt
(disregarding efficiency).</p>

</quote>

<p>In reply to the implied sizeof <em>unsigned int</em> Peter replied
</p>

<quote who="Peter Samuelson"> 

<p>What platforms does Samba support where unsigned int is other than 32
bits?  I do not know of any but am willing to be surprised.
</p>

</quote>

</section>

<section
  title="Alternatives To Stream Format"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="File format"
  archive="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba-vms&amp;m=97715619221294&amp;w=2"
  posts="2"
  startdate="18 Dec 2000 08:17:56 -0800"
  enddate="21 Dec 2000 05:42:07 -0800"
>

<mention></mention>

<p>Raffaele Riccardi remarked that, by default, Samba opened files for
writing via the RMS 'stream' format. He wanted the option of changing this
behavior, or making it service dependent. But Eckart Meyer replied that it
would be impossible. Eckart explained, <quote who="Eckart Meyer">STREAM is
what DOS/Windows sends. So we are lucky enough that VMS supports such a file
format (and here VMS is (again :-) better than UNIX). Alternativly we had
to write new "on-the-fly" converters, but this is not an easy task since we
could not reliable tell which file is a text file and which is binary.</quote>
There was no reply.</p>

</section>

<section
  title="Viewing NT Folders From Solaris"
  author="Zack Brown"
  contact="mailto:zbrown@tumblerings.org"
  subject="mounting nt from unix"
  archive="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba-ntdom&amp;m=97725646602681&amp;w=2"
  posts="8"
  startdate="19 Dec 2000 12:05:50 -0800"
  enddate="21 Dec 2000 00:47:18 -0800"
>

<mention></mention>

<p>Goly Shakarov wanted to view NT folders from a Solaris box, and Armand
Welsh replied, <quote who="Armand Welsh">From what I gather your options
are, either work to get a port of smbmount/smbfs developed for solaris,
or use nfs service on NT.</quote> Kevin Munsterman also suggested:</p>

<quote who="Kevin Munsterman">

<p>have you tried</p>

<p>smbclient -L ntbox -u username -p password</p>

<p>this should list all shared folders on the nt machine.</p>

</quote>

<p>Goly tried this but got errors, and Anders C. Thorsen explained:</p>

<quote who="Anders C. Thorsen">

it tries to connect with the full name (above), but failes because the server
doesn't recognize it.

Use -L &lt;NetBios Name&gt;  -I &lt;dest. IP&gt; -U &lt;username&gt;

</quote>

<p>Nelson Garcia also had some suggestions for Goly:</p>

<quote who="Nelson Garcia">

<p>Do you want to mount a SMB share? or do you want to be able to "browse"
what shares the NT machine is offering?</p>

<p>Although I run Linux/Samba as a PDC on my LAN, I have
never had to mount a SMB share on the Linux box. If you
just want to mount, can't you just use "smbmount"? <a
href="http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/htmldocs/smbmount.8.html">http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/htmldocs/smbmount.8.html</a></p>

<p>There is also a gui tool called "gnomba" that came with my Mandrake distro,
however, I havent' gotten much success using it.</p>

<p>For an off topic answer, could'nt you setup NFS on the NT machine? My
trial version of X-WinPro came with a free NFS server that I've kept ever
since (I use X-Win32 now to run my Linuxbox from my NT machine).</p>

</quote>

<p>Buchan Milne pointed out the according the the URL Nelson had posted,
smbmount would only work under Linux. Since Goly needed a Solaris solution,
this wouldn't be much use unless someone had ported the tool recently. As
for gnomba, Buchan replied scathingly, <quote who="Buchan Milne">Gnomba is
the most pathetic smb browser I have seen. I would rather take my chances
with smbclient (where I don't need to knwo the range of ip addresses I want
to browse)!</quote> Armand Welsh disagreed, and said that actually, gnomba had
been really good for at least the past 6 months. He recommended that Buchan try
it again, if he hadn't used it in that time.</p>

</section>

<section
  title="Samba scalability a question"
  author="John Quirk"
  contact="mailto:jq_quirk@hotmail.com"
  subject="Samba scalability?"
  archive="http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-ntdom/2000-December/030676.html"
  posts="15"
  startdate="20 Dec 2000 08:26:00 -0800"
  enddate="26 Dec 2000 13:23:20 -0800"
> 
<mention></mention>
<mention>John Quirk</mention>
<mention>Gerald Carter</mention>

<p>
<editorialize who="John Quirk">Questions in this vein often come up the list.
</editorialize>
</p>
<p>Shawn Wright wrote a post asking many questions about the scalability
of samba for the task he had in mind:</p>

<quote who="Shawn Wright">
<p>
I'm in the process of upgrading several of our NT4 servers, and
must decide what services I can safely migrate to Linux/Samba,
and which need to remain on NT.</p>

<p>
Currently our two NT4 server carrying the heaviest file sharing load
deal with about 150 concurrent user connections, and will see 600-
1200 file locks during normal use. Most of this is user home
shares, with some shared network apps thrown in; clients are 90%
NT4 WKS, with some student win9x PCs and laptops.</p>

<p>
I've run various low use samba servers over the past 5 years or so,
but have never attempted to fully replace an NT4 box as they have
been rock solid (surprisingly) for us. What samba issues should I
be prepared to address to deal with this kind of load? Does samba
benefit from an SMP system? How are the software RAID drivers
in Linux? (the current NT4 box I'm planning to migrate to Samba
over Linux is a PPro200 with 224Mb, and 3 Adaptec 3940UW
SCSI cards, with 4 9Gb Cheetah drives running software RAID -
stock NT4 drivers)</p>


</quote>

<p>Patrick Gunerud replied</p>

<quote who="Patrick Gunerud">

<p>
As far as I know it should handle the load just fine, maybe even better
the Windows.
</p>
<p>
The software raid of linux is working great!  I'm running a redhat 7.0
system with 4 maxtor 40GB ATA/66 drives using software raid 5 on them.
The performance is out standing.  I had to tweek the install to be able
to set up the ide drives the way I wanted since the 2.2.x kernel will
only support 4 ide channels.  But after installing redhat on it and
upgrading to the 2.4.0 kernel it is running great. with 5 ide hard
drives each on there own channel.
</p>
</quote>

<p>Simo Sorce added:</p>
<quote who="Simo Sorce">

<p>
Rembebr that at this stage samba does not support trust relationships,
also stay tuned for samba 2.2 as it will give many improvements in PDC
code (More RPC supported) and in native NT printing.
</p>
</quote>

<p>Simo Sorce also added his surport for Linux raid. Matthew Geddes added:</p>

<quote who="Matthew Geddes">
<p>
We've had over 300 concurrent connections. We're doing the whole lot on
a Linux box with Samba 2.0.7. The box itself is a 450MHz Celery
processor and 256MB RAM. The HDD is a single 13GB IDE. It sometimes uses
a fair amount of swap, but we've not had any complaints. This box also
manages a connection from each machine to it's closest printer. This box
is not a PDC or WINS server.
</p>
</quote>

<p>Shawn Wright in his post also asked:
</p>

<quote who="Shawn Wright">

<p>
I've heard talk about open file limits in the smbd process - is this
only an issue with WTS clients? I'd appreciate any tips for tuning
samba for this type of environment.
</p>

</quote>

<p>Simo Sorce replied:</p>

<quote who="Simo Sorce">

<p>
No that's a normal limitation for normal process, it may be bypassed using
ulimt command in startup scripts.
eg:</p>

<em><p>
# Set max number files limit to 16384</p>
<p>
ulimit -Hn 16384</p>
<p>
ulimit -Sn 16384
</p></em>

<p>
this is in my /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb script before launching smbd and nmbd
</p>
</quote>

<p>Shawn Wright was also concerned as to which was the 
best OS to run samba on as one his concerns was security:
</p>

<quote who="Shawn Wright"> 
 
<p>
 - although our two longest
running linux boxes (3.5 and 5.5 years) have been very stable,
we have had two remote exploits during this time (both on
RedHat 6.2). To be fair, both could have been avoided had I
been more diligent on the patches, but it also makes me wonder
if going with OpenBSD wouldn't be a better idea
</p>
</quote>

<p>He went on to ask about ACL support, quota support and backup systems.
Kevin Colby agreed about the problems with ACL's but on quotas:</p> 

<quote who="Kevin Colby">
<p>
Quotas are reportedly working just fine.  However, the quota
setup and analysis of usage is up to the OS tools.
</p>
</quote>

<p>Gerald Carter pointed that ACL suport was comming in 2.2, others had already
pointed out the ACL was a funtion of the underlying Operating System and that 
currently Linux is not quite there yet.</p>
<p>Michael E Osborne that AIX 4.1.4+ had ACL support built in. This discovery
Shawn Wright.</p>

<p>
The thread finished on that note.
</p>

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