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KDE Traffic #63 For 1 Sep 2003

By Russell Miller

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Here is a kde-traffic, a week late. I will try to have another also tomorrow (the 2nd). I figure two versions will be easier to maintain than one large one, and you'll also extract more news from me that way. ;-)

Mailing List Stats For This Week

We looked at 430 posts in 1853K.

There were 158 different contributors. 69 posted more than once. 69 posted last week too.

The top posters of the week were:

1. Cookie problems

9 Aug 2003 - 14 Aug 2003 (7 posts) Archive Link: "cookie are not send back on simple domain.tld with country code.tld"

Someone named ze wrote in saying that they were having a problem with cookies not getting sent back. After some dialog between Waldo and ze, ze updated his software and restarted kdeinit, and reported that the problem had gone away.

Another person, Vladimir Lazarenko, reported another similar problem with cookies. It was suggested that he update to the latest CVS and retry. Since we haven't heard back, it's assumed that his problem was fixed.

2. Cut, Copy context menu in konqueror

11 Aug 2003 - 12 Aug 2003 (12 posts) Archive Link: "Cut, Copy context menu in konqueror"

People: Pavel TrollerLeo SavernikRussell Miller

Someone who didn't supply a name wrote that he or she did not like the fact that the cut and copy options were not available in the right click context menu of konqueror. Leo Savernik responded that this was intentional, to avoid bloating the context menu, and that there is no sense in having cut and paste there. Alexander "Lypiekins" Kellett asked why he couldn't just use control-c, and Rolf Magnus replied that that is not consistent with how most people use the context menu.

Alexander conceded in another subthread that it is true a lot of people use the context menus, and also remarked about the possibility of getting rid of changing text encoding in the context menu. Pavel Troller said no way. Alexander conceded that there really is no way of changing it for one single frame. Suggestion was to take up the topic of adding a copy menu item with the usability people.

(ed. [Russell Miller] I've harped on this for a long time. Please put a copy option in there!!! This is one of the most annoying things about konqueror bar none, IMO. )

3. Installing KDE 2.2

13 Aug 2003 - 14 Aug 2003 (7 posts) Archive Link: "Should I install KDE 2.2"

People: Roberto MasonAaron Seigo

Roberto Mason asked:

In order to learn KDE, Is it safe then to install KDE 2.2 with KDE development environment? Should I remove the KDE 3.1.x KDE development with its environment? I presume having KDE 2.2 development will exist co-exist properly with KDE 3.1.2 desktop.

Aaron Seigo replied that there really weren't that many changes between 2.2 and 3, and pointed him where to go for help. Roberto responded that he would try KDE 3 and wanted to know how to get on IRC for help.

4. Windowlist/kicker usability

13 Aug 2003 - 17 Aug 2003 (11 posts) Archive Link: "Usability improved in windowlist/kicker"

People: Martin KollerMark BucciarelliAaron Seigo

Martin Koller said, in part:

I attach here a usability patch for the windowlist shown from kicker.

What I always was disappointed with, was that the window-titles were cut, and if I have some windows opened (e.g. Xterms, konqueror, etc.) which have a very similar starting part (e.g. the path) in the title, the text which was shown in the windowlist was useless to be able to select the correct window.

Aaron Seigo replied that the patch as it was was excessive, as the titles can be absurdly long, but that the current limit was also absurd. Mark Bucciarelli suggested replacing the intermedate text with ellipses for long paths, and Aaron agreed. Martin said that is already being done, just that the length is too short. Max Howell responded with a modification to csqueeze that would interrupt it with the different text if the strings were too similar, to which Martin koller agreed that along with a combination of extending the width would be the best solution - expanding to about 1/2 of the available desktop width.

Chris Lee then responded that as long as they're on the subject, whu not put the window entries into submenus of the desktops? Martin disagreed, but liked Chris's other suggestion of making the window list more task oriented. With this the thread closed.

5. Removal of -pedantic and -pedantic-errors from

14 Aug 2003 - 19 Aug 2003 (31 posts) Archive Link: "Removal of -pedantic and -pedantic-errors from"

People: Alex ZepedaThiago Macieira

Alex "Blarf" Zepeda said:

I'd like to see those flags removed from

For whatever reason (like gcc sucking) gcc will trip over system headers on FreeBSD when -pedantic is used. This has been the case for a while, but with the advent of gcc 3.3 these warnings needlessly became errors.

IMO there's no real reason why everyone should be forced to use -pedantic, and it can always be specified with CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS if so desired.

Stephan suggested using --disable-warnings. Alex said that doesn't work. Thiago Macieira seconded Alex's suggestion. Others said that the system headers need to be changed, this appears to be the general consensus, some headers in the linux kernel are broken.

The rest of the thread was devoted in part to a flamewar which I will not mention further, except to say that it actually seems to have resolved to include some interesting information - that part of the problem is a regression problem in gcc 3.3 which will be fixed in 3.3.2.

6. Moving kpdf from kdenonbeta to kdegraphics

14 Aug 2003 - 15 Aug 2003 (3 posts) Archive Link: "Moving kpdf from kdenonbeta to kdegraphics"

People: Simon Hausmann

Helio Chissini stated that he would like to move kpdf from kdenonbeta to kdegraphics. Simon Hausmann thought this was a good idea, but had concerns about kpdf containing a complete copy of xpdf sources, and suggested talking to the xpdf author about creating a shared library. Helio thought this was a pretty good idea and closed the thread stating he'll talk to the author and ask a "Superpower CVS admin" to make the move so there's no lost history.

7. Save as modification

15 Aug 2003 - 19 Aug 2003 (4 posts) Archive Link: "ui guidelines clarification"

People: Ingo KlöckerFriedrich W. H. Kossebau

Friedrich W. H. Kossebau noted that there are apps that should not display "Save as...", such as kmail opening attachments from the tmpdir. Ingo Klöcker stated that making attachments opened through kmail read-only may be the only way to handle it, and stated he'd commit a patch unless there were any objections.

8. Call for kastle branch

15 Aug 2003 - 16 Aug 2003 (6 posts) Archive Link: "Call for kastle branch"

People: Aaron Seigo

Rob "Capzilla" Kaper requested a new branch be created for n7y. Aaron Seigo thought this was a really bad idea. It wasn't done, and development was done in HEAD, which could be why HEAD had become so unstable ;-).







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