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<title>Gimp Traffic</title>
<author contact="mailto:cflagg@kdigital.com">Cris Flagg</author>
<issue num="38" date="06 Apr 2001 00:00:00 -0800" />

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<person posts="5" size="19" who="Zachary Beane &lt;xach@xach.com&gt;" />
<person posts="4" size="12" who="Austin Donnelly &lt;austin@gimp.org&gt;" />
<person posts="4" size="12" who="Carol Spears &lt;cspears@cablespeed.com&gt;" />
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<section
  title="Possible TODO Items"
  author="Cris Flagg"
  contact="mailto:cflagg@kdigital.com"
  subject="couple possible TODO items"
  archive="http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg00195.html"
  posts="32"
  startdate="27 Mar 2001 14:00:49 -0800"
  enddate="30 Mar 2001 07:03:48 -0800"
>


<mention>Nick Lamb</mention>
<mention></mention>
<mention>Sven Neumann</mention>
<mention>Tino Schwarze</mention>
<mention>Adam D. Moss</mention>

<p>
Zachary Beane posted two ideas that he'd like to add to the 
TODO.xml list.
<quote who="Zachary Beane">
<b>Biased color reduction</b> - 
  This is a feature I saw in photoshop. When reducing the colors of an
  image, it will try to preserve colors within the active selection
  more than it tries to preserve those outside of it. For example, if
  you want to keep skin tones in an image, but want to otherwise
  reduce the overall number of colors, you would select a few
  representative areas of skin before doing the reduction.
</quote>
<quote who="Zachary Beane">
Personally, I can't count the number of times I've converted an image
to Indexed only to find the black had gone suddenly slightly
off-black, or another solid color that I really needed at a particular
value had suddenly shifted slightly. I'd love to be able to select
those colors before conversion to hint to the Indexed conversion,
"these exact values are important to me."
</quote>
</p>

<p>Sven Neumann mentioned that according to the changelog entries, 
Adam might be working on this.  Zach said the entries are what prompted
him to post.  His main question was how does the algorithm know which
colors to save and which to modify?
Adam D. Moss didn't think the algorithm could.  Hinting at what part of
the color histogram to bias was a cop-out and would only be needed if
the Gimp wasn't preserving colors.  Tino Schwarze 
thought there might be some use to flagging some colors sticky for logos
and corporate work where the colors are specifically fixed.
There are colors that can be identified as important and non-important
based on the image use (i.e. color safe web work)
</p>

<p>Zach also posted an idea about monitor calibration
<quote who="Zachary Beane">
<b>Monitor resolution calculation</b> - 
  This idea has been kicking around in my head for quite some time
  now. Rather than the current system of "measure this item onscreen
  and enter the figure from your ruler" to calculate DPI, I think it
  would be more userfriendly to have the shape of some common object
  that you could stretch to fit. For example, you could select A4
  paper, place the top of a sheet against the monitor, and stretch or
  shrink the virtual outline until it fits the physical outline. That
  would give a pretty decent measurement, I think
  (This program could also be completely standalone, as I think it
  would be useful at other times than GIMP installation.)
</quote>
</p>

<p>Nick Lamb suggested CDs, since perfectly round objects would
show skew very well.  Additionally, credit cards were standard size.
Zach was concerned about CDs scratching his anti-glare coating.
Sven though credit cards were too small and suggested using the
image-&gt;new dialog for printing calibration info onto paper.
The discussion devolved into the merits of metric v. english
measurements and the general accessibility of rulers for measuring.
Zach ended the discussion with
<quote who="Zachary Beane">
However, even if the consensus is "just get a ruler", I think the
current measurement dialog could be improved with a user interface of
"stretch the virtual to fit the physical," rather than the current
setup.</quote>
</p>
<p>There were no more posts to this thread.
</p>

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<section
  title="Plug-In Question"
  author="Cris Flagg"
  contact="mailto:cflagg@kdigital.com"
  subject="Plug-in question"
  archive="http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg00205.html"
  posts="6"
  startdate="28 Mar 2001 15:45:29 -0800"
  enddate="29 Mar 2001 17:40:41 -0800"
>

<mention>Simon Budig</mention>

<p>Mark was trying to code a plug-in that read a file into the Gimp
his company server, then saved it to a databases once it was edited.
First, he wondered how to write a script-fu extension that would automatically
open a file in the gimp once it was downloaded.
Simon Budig suggested "file-jpeg-load", which returns an image id, 
followed by a "gimp-display-new" and probably a "gimp-displays-flush".
He also suggested the vanilla "gimp-file-load", which is not limited to jpeg.
Simon also suggested making this its own file type, allowing gimp to
automagically know the file saves to a database (similar to gzip/wget-filetype).
</p>

<p>Mark got it working but had a syntax question <quote who="">The PDB 
function is file-jpeg-load, but I have to spell it file_jpeg_load in my const 
char * which I pass to gimp_run_procedure.  Is this the standard, are all 
functions o fthe form xxx-xxx-xxx really xxx_xxx_xxx, or are all hyphens 
really supposed to be underscores?</quote>
Nathan C Summers said <quote who="Nathan C Summers">
the c pdb functions export lotsa_underscore_names, and the db browser and scheme
interfaces substitute a hyphen whereever they see an underscore.  This
really threw me off when I made the first perl&lt;-&gt;gimp binding ages ago.
</quote>
</p>

</section>



<section
  title="Grokking the Gimp"
  author="Cris Flagg"
  contact="mailto:cflagg@kdigital.com"
  subject="'Grokking the Gimp' any good?"
  archive="http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg00245.html"
  posts="2"
  startdate="02 Apr 2001 13:01:06 -0800"
  enddate="02 Apr 2001 13:12:54 -0800"
>

<mention>Branko Collin</mention>
<mention></mention>
<mention>Guillermo S. Romero</mention>

<p>Branko Collin is working on the Dutch translation of The Gimp
and found a Dutch version of 'Grokking the Gimp.'  He wondered if
the translations of terms were faithful and if the English version
was a valuable book.  Guillermo S. Romero suggested taking a look at
the full text online at <a href="http://www.gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/">
http://www.gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/</a>.
</p>

</section>



<section
  title="Scaling of Work Images"
  author="Cris Flagg"
  contact="mailto:cflagg@kdigital.com"
  subject="Scaling of work images in late gimp's"
  archive="http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg00237.html"
  posts="2"
  startdate="03 Apr 2001 01:37:29 -0800"
  enddate="03 Apr 2001 11:00:00 -0800"
>

<mention></mention>
<mention>Austin Donnelly</mention>

<p>Gene Heskett commented <quote who="Gene Heskett">
One item thats been bugging me since a bit before the final 1.2.0 came
out is that the work screens default render is now set to a 50%
scaledown. For what little work I do, this isn't desirable.  Loading the same pix
into gimp and scaling it back to to 100%, then compareing the same pix
loaded into EE makes gimp look pretty bad.
</quote>
</p>
<p>Austin Donnelly thought these were two separate issues.
Firstly, The default scale factor for images is automatically adjusted
to fit the new image on the screen.  Secondly, the Gimp uses GdkRGB
to reproduce colors, so is the difference pixelation, jaggy edges, color casts,
or scaling artifacts?  Austin requested Gene post some small screen shots, but
there was no reply to the list.
</p>

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