Debian Traffic #7 For 19 Oct 2000

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Mailing List Stats For This Week

We looked at 580 posts in 2082K.

There were 191 different contributors. 100 posted more than once. 0 posted last week too.

The top posters of the week were:

1. Waiting for Galeon

9 Oct 2000 (4 posts) Archive Link: "Intent to Sponsor: Galeon"

Summary By Steve Robbins

People: Franklin BelewJohn O Sullivan

According to the Galeon web page ( ,

Galeon is a GNOME Web browser based on gecko (the mozilla rendering engine). It's fast, it has a light interface, and it is fully standards-compliant.
John O Sullivan said that he wanted to package Galeon, but had discovered that Jared Johnson had already done so. Jared was not yet a developer, so John announced he would sponsor Galeon until Jared could officially take it over, and promised an upload later that night.

Dan Nguyen checked the list archives and noticed that Michael Holtz sent a Galeon ITP ( last July. However, out of the discussion sparked by that ITP, it emerged that there was a license clash because Galeon (GPL) links with Mozilla (MPL). Franklin Belew replied, " This is a non issue, galeon changed its license to be Gnu GPL with an exception. "

Galeon has not yet appeared in the debian distribution, but we hope to see it soon.

2. KDE Reorganization

5 Oct 2000 - 9 Oct 2000 (11 posts) Subject: "KDE & apt"

Summary By Zack Brown

People: Ivan E. Moore IIBrian AlmeidaMichael Meskes

Michael Meskes complained that he could no longer update KDE with 'apt' anymore, because the dependencies were wrong. Ivan E. Moore II, the maintainer of the KDE packages, replied that the dependencies were not incorrect. Michael had been trying to mix standard with non-US packages, which Ivan's packages didn't allow by design. Michael pointed out a dependency in which one of the .deb files did depend on a non-US package, and Ivan admitted, "a mistake on my part." Elsewhere, Brian Almeida asked why KDE didn't support encryption. He added, "I was looking at switching to konquerer as my main browser, but not if it doesn't contain SSL support..." Ivan explained:

It will...geez...

I forced dependencies on the US version for multiple reasons:

  1. to make sure there were no dual libarary problems
  2. to make sure everyone was at the same level
  3. to prepare to get rid of the non-US version of kdelibs

kdelibs-nossl is going away along with the non-US kdelibs. They are being replaced with a kdelibs that will go into main and a kdelibs-crypto that will go in non-US. The -crypto will only contain the modules necessary for SSL support and nothing more.

I'm not taking SSL away from anyone. I'm just trying to migrate over to a new format while verifying that bug reports are due to actual bugs in the code and not becuase there are 2 seperate packages.

Keep using Netscape or whatever your using until I'm done and until KDE 2.0 is officially released..until then expect that I'll be messing with things until it works best.

This sounded like a good solution to Michael, but he asked, "I do not understand why the packages have to depend on kdelibs-nossl. Why not let them depend on kdelibs, upload a non-ssl version to main and remove the non-US version?" Ivan replied:

I'm really getting tired of this.

I had to force the versions as too many people had too many different versions of packages based on different versions of kdelibs. kdelibs has kept changing way too much until recently. I had to cut down on the number of bug reports I was getting and verify that the packages worked or didn't work.

I can't just let them depend on kdelibs...if I did, that would defeat the purpose of what I was testing. the SSL support has been ultra-unstable lately and therefore I chose to make the non-ssl versions the one to force people to use.

Now that this has been done and everyone is forced into using specific versions then I can upload the split packages the way they need to be. (this also thanks to KDE finally getting to a stable point to allow this). Sitting in incoming is all the stuff...and has been since just slightly after this stupid thread started.

Michael apologized if the topic had been discussed previously, and Ivan replied, "it's not you...I've had tons of private mail about this and several bug reports. don't worry about it." He added later in the same post, "Don't take it personal..I'm just tired of discussing it. I had to make sure the packages were either working or not working and just because you can't use SSL support in beta packages in an unstable distribution shouldn't be cause to get upset. Whether or not you persoanlly got upset, alot of others did and it pissed me off. SSL suport IMHO is a added bonus especially since it's still buggy."

Michael had the last word, with, "I don't take it personal, I just don't think asking what's going on is a stupid thread. Of course if you already discussed this hundreds of times you will feel tired of doing so, but since none of this was public, how shall I know?"

3. Debbugs Updates

6 Oct 2000 - 10 Oct 2000 (10 posts) Subject: "Recent(and upcoming) Debbugs changes"

Summary By Zack Brown

People: Adam HeathAnthony Towns

Adam Heath announced:

Anthony Towns and I have been doing work on Debbugs lately. Here is a status report of what is done:

Upcoming features/idea:

Yes, Debbugs activity is picking up again. This is good. Maybe now we can make this even more of a kick ass piece of software.

There was no real discussion.







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