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Hurd Traffic #83 For 9 Mar 2001

Editor: Zack Brown

By Paul Emsley  and  Zack Brown

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Mailing List Stats For This Week

We looked at 127 posts in 546K.

There were 50 different contributors. 16 posted more than once. 13 posted last week too.

The top posters of the week were:


1. Testing The New apt
25 Feb 2001 - 28 Feb 2001 (8 posts) Archive Link: "new apt_0.5.0.deb testing"
Summary By Paul Emsley
Topics: Apt
People: Ronald PupalaMarcus BrinkmannRobert BihlmeyerBrian May

This thread was started by Ronald Pupala seeing the problem of dpkg depending on sysvinit: "

Preparing to replace dpkg .... (using dpkg_1.8.3.1_hurd.....
Unpacking replacement dpkg ....
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dpkg:
  dpkg depends on sysvinit

Brian May replied that he had solved this problem by installing a dummy package. Marcus Brinkmann wanted to know what other dummy packages were needed. To Brian's suggestion of "strace", Marcus replied:

I am afraid that this is a bit too much, who knows what other problems linger in the task packages, and one can quite nicely live without trying to install them. [..] When [a package] won't get fixed for some time, but the issue is at least known to the responsible person, I am willing to add the work around dummy package.

The distinction here is that the uninstallability of the task package is a bug in the task package itself, while the uninstallability of bsdutils and libstdc++2.10-dev is a bug in dpkg.

Robert Bihlmeyer suggested that a "dummy" section is used so that the casual browser is not mislead. He also suggested that a dummy package is not created unless a bug has been filed. Marcus agreed.

Elsewhere (dummy packages sysvinit and libc6-dev on Marcus announced that he had added the dummy packages.


2. The Hurd Equivalent Of Linux Features
25 Feb 2001 - 26 Feb 2001 (9 posts) Archive Link: "Hurd limitations"
Summary By Paul Emsley
People: Marcus BrinkmannBrian May

Brian May asked what was the long-term Hurd equivalents of:

Marcus Brinkmann replied that filesystems will be checked if they are in /etc/fstab. "strace", says Marcus, is Linux-specific tool, the equivalent of which for the Hurd is "rpctrace". For multiple mount points, Marcus and others have something in mind: " what we imagine is a much better solution, called shadowfs (it's similar to unionfs in BSD), where you can layer several filesystems over each other. One way to use shadowfs would certainly be to layer an existing directory tree (or a distinct part of it) into the shadow filesystem. This is a more generic approach, and much more useful than just to be able to mount one filesystem several times. It's also not implemented yet :)" . There followed a short discussion about chroot.


3. Porting
27 Feb 2001 (8 posts) Archive Link: "porting to Hurd"
Summary By Paul Emsley
People: Wichert AkkermanMarcus Brinkmann

Atsuhito Kohda announced his intention to port some packages to the Hurd. In reply, Wichert Akkerman mentioned that it would be "useful if someone gets X4 to run on the Hurd." . Marcus Brinkmann said that he had patched X and that he hoped that Branden would incorporate his patches next time "and in fact, I made my packages available on (X3) and (X4). They still can be found there." . Later Marcus added:

I think gnupg compiles just fine out of the box (I will attempt to do so right now), however, we don't have a /dev/random. There is some /dev/random server using esd on the web (please do a web search). I have a slightly different idea how to do random on the Hurd, and I will work on this in the near future, after getting the Debian dist back into shape.

But if I understood Werner correctly, gnupg can also gather some random by itself, so it might run without /dev/random as well.


4. X
27 Feb 2001 - 28 Feb 2001 (7 posts) Archive Link: "glibc 2.2.2-1 uploaded ... Time for a new CD?"
Summary By Paul Emsley
Topics: Apt
People: Marcus BrinkmannPhilip Charles

Philip Charles wondered if it was time to make a new CD. Marcus Brinkmann said "I plan to do X and a new tar file, hopefully next week" and later said " I will probably upload X to proper, if it works out as I think it will. The patching necessary should be down to an acceptable minimum that for short while (until patches are incorporated) the binaries are not from 100% clean source." And then said:

X works. The Debian packaging is not ready (I am going to fix this).

I ran X last year, and posted instructions on how to install it. The X 3.3.6 packages (libs and servers) are on, apt-able. The X 4.0 packages are at (actually in a subdirectory, you can find it easily from there).

The Hurd package contains mouse and kbd translator for half a year or so.


5. Web Page Maintenance
28 Feb 2001 (4 posts) Subject: "Web pages"
Summary By Zack Brown
People: James A. TreacyPhilip CharlesMarcus Brinkmann

Philip Charles mentioned that James A. Treacy had asked him who was responsible for the Hurd web pages. Marcus Brinkmann figured he (Marcus) was, as the author; and James replied:

The webmasters need to know who is maintaining each part of the website so we can contact them when problems arise. Unfortunately, we aren't omniscient and don't know everything about every aspect of Debian. :)

For example, shows 2 bad links in the english version of the pages:

Looking into : Error = (404) Not Found : Error: (113, 'No route to host')

Marcus suggested filing the list itself as the maintainer, so reports would come to everyone. If that didn't work, he suggested using his own email address.


6. MIG Vs CORBA (Again)
1 Mar 2001 (5 posts) Archive Link: "CORBA vs MIG"
Summary By Paul Emsley
People: Ingmar SchusterRoland McGrath

After last weeks MIG/CORBA frenzy, Ingmar Schuster noted: "As far as I can see no one's talking about that MIG/CORBA thing anymore" and wondered what is going on.

Roland McGrath said "I'm glad that the discussion has quieted down. It seemed to me there was a lot of talking and no new information, and noone actually doing anything about anything at all. This is a subject that I know a lot about and have thought about a lot, but I don't have the time to write a lot email about it. I think that anyone who wants to be of real help in this area needs to learn most of what there is to know about MIG and the Mach IPC interfaces, as well as about CORBA, before they'll have the context to get started making useful changes."







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