James Thompson (jamest) asked Jeff Bailey (jbailey) what was the status of the .debs for sid. Jeff said there was still some work needed to eliminate the noise that the debs make when they're being installed. (The one's from sources.list mentioned in the #gnuenterprise topic).

James also noticed that some release announcement was needed, because the current announcement procedure took too long.

James Thompson (jamest) was trying to query back incoming fax images that are not assigned to a customer (i.e. had a NULL customer ID), but could not get this to work properly as the conditions rightfully filter that out - i don't want to change that behaviour as I use it to make several forms look like they're pulling from different tables though they are not. He wondered about using a on-startup trigger to resolve his current problem, but I don't know how i'd pass in the NULL value to the trigger. Jason Cater (jcater) came up with some hackerish ways to do it, giving some sample code using the parameters dictionary, but added I don't consider it "good form" though. James was more impressed - that's worth implementing just as a sample :) - as it's evil and something I'd not have thought about it, as he associates the parameters dict w/ dialogs not the master form. Jason said parameters had never been intended for use with dialogs - though they've become a nice fit.

James asked how do I use the parameters at the main form level - do I need to set catchNull? Jason said iirc there's a form-level setParameter. James knew this, but meant with respect to initialisation. Jason said I think you have to add a <parameters> section - that defines the parameter - if so, there you can set a "default". James asked if this was documented in the developer's guide. Jason said it should be once he had finished it.

Bajusz Tamás (btami) announced the native win32 form client is functional now, so feel free to try and report bugs. It still lacked some features like picture support or tooltips, but it has better dropdown and tabbed pages support than wx (on win32).

James Thompson (jamest) smelled a 0.5.1 release RSN. Jason Cater (jcater) said outstanding bugs in designer need to be fixed first or maybe we can do forms 0.5.1 without designer.

Jason Cater (jcater) asked what is that webform wizard that was added yesterday? on the surface, that seems quite counter to our goals of a ui-independent form definition. Jan Ischebeck (siesel) explained Its a short time solution to create html + javascript code out of a gnue-forms definition. In normal cases that code could/should be generated on the fly by an cgi script. At the moment it is more like a "compile" step. /me is planning to give the administrator the choice of doing the parsing of the gfd file 1. on the fly (by a cgi script) 2. direktly after a changing the gfd files 3. by the javascript client itself. James Thompson (jamest) asked should a quick hack be part of designer? or a seperate script altogther - it sounds like it works nothing like the other wizards. Jan explained that the reason for adding it to designer was, that its much more difficult to write a seperate script than writing a wizard - In its form its a bit similar to the "create Schema" Wizard, which is disabled as of time of writing because of schema definition changes, I think. Later, he said he had changed the name to "Compile for jsForms" and the entry in the menu to "Extras|Compile Form for GNUe JsForms' - hope that makes it more clear.